Eos 400d ( Rebel XTI )

pedroluis

Either I really messed up with the release, and uploaded something completely different to what I am using, or there is something weird with your camera; which firmware version do you have?
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Eduperez - Thank you for answering. I'm away from my camera (believe it or not), and can't make any test untill tomorrow evening (European time).

eduperez

JoeNeptune
There are never too many options.

I do not plan to reduce the number of shortcuts, if that is your concern. Quite on the contrary, with a normal menu we could have as many shortcuts available as we want, if we allow to scroll down. But instead of DP + SET to launch the intervalometer, for example, we will have DP + DOWN + DOWN + SET; a bit longer, but more intuitive.

As everybody has different needs and preferences, the order of the shortcuts in the menu will be easy to rearrange.

sizzlincok

eduperez
As everybody has different needs and preferences, the order of the shortcuts in the menu will be easy to rearrange.

I still say keep the option to disable the shortcuts menu, to change the DP button to launch whatever it's set to in the 400plus menu.

I personally like it simple such as being able to change the DP button back to having what it was originally hacked for on the info screen, changing the ISO.

eduperez

sizzlincok

eduperez
As everybody has different needs and preferences, the order of the shortcuts in the menu will be easy to rearrange.

I still say keep the option to disable the shortcuts menu, to change the DP button to launch whatever it's set to in the 400plus menu.

I personally like it simple such as being able to change the DP button back to having what it was originally hacked for on the info screen, changing the ISO.

I am aware of this request, but still not made my mind about it.

Remember that you can create a new issue at http://code.google.com/p/400plus/issues/list yourself, and receive a nice email each time someone comments or finishes it.

pedroluis

eduperez - The build is OK. The user was out of repair 🙁. I missed the 'Navigating the sub-menus'-section.

eduperez

pedroluis
eduperez - The build is OK. The user was out of repair 🙁. I missed the 'Navigating the sub-menus'-section.

Glad to know, and thanks for reporting back!

lars

I totally agree to sizzlincok. I will stay at the last version before the shortcuts menu was introduced. Having the ISO change on DP Button is perfect for me.

Please think about a possibility to disable the sc menu and freely assign DP button again as it was in previous versions...

Thank you and best regards,
Lars

0xAF

why would you need to change the iso besides the normal way ?
normally i shoot in 100, if i need to go up i go for 200 or 800. these are the three isos i ever used...
i still don't get why would one need 125 iso (for example) ... what will be different from the 100 iso ?
even more ... i dont see the point to have the nice DP button assigned to iso changing...

guffster

0xAF
why would you need to change the iso besides the normal way ?
normally i shoot in 100, if i need to go up i go for 200 or 800. these are the three isos i ever used...
i still don't get why would one need 125 iso (for example) ... what will be different from the 100 iso ?
even more ... i dont see the point to have the nice DP button assigned to iso changing...

Software that is flexible, configurable, and extensible is the key answer here. The point is not whether one should shoot ISO 125 over ISO 100 but to have the ability to do so via easy-to-use and understandable software. There is no way each user will want or use every feature the way that another user would, or necessarily the way the developers have chosen to implement it. This is the true challenge for good software developers: to create outstanding useful software that appeals to the majority of its user base.

By making the software hack flexible and extensible (easy to build upon for future enhancements, fixes, etc.) and configurable (able to work one way for one user, and another way for someone else) - then each user will have the opportunity to make it work easily for them.

Those who develop, test, and document this software will have more work cut out for them, but in the end - all will have a more functional and proud-to-own-and-use product.

I for one believe this is the road we are currently headed down based on the forum topics that have recently been discussed here. It is fascinating to watch this software grow into a mature product and give life back to a very capable camera that many people gave up on years ago.

0xAF

guffster
Software that is flexible, configurable, and extensible is the key answer here. The point is not whether one should shoot ISO 125 over ISO 100 but to have the ability to do so via easy-to-use and understandable software. There is no way each user will want or use every feature the way that another user would, or necessarily the way the developers have chosen to implement it. This is the true challenge for good software developers: to create outstanding useful software that appeals to the majority of its user base.

By making the software hack flexible and extensible (easy to build upon for future enhancements, fixes, etc.) and configurable (able to work one way for one user, and another way for someone else) - then each user will have the opportunity to make it work easily for them.

Those who develop, test, and document this software will have more work cut out for them, but in the end - all will have a more functional and proud-to-own-and-use product.

I for one believe this is the road we are currently headed down based on the forum topics that have recently been discussed here. It is fascinating to watch this software grow into a mature product and give life back to a very capable camera that many people gave up on years ago.

I totally agree. But since I've seen 2 posts asking for getting DP to set iso, I was wondering who actually is using this ?

pedroluis

I do not use the DP for ISO. I stick to the standard 100, 200, etc as there is nothing to win using the in-betweens.
My vote for DP + DOWN + DOWN + SET for the menu.

JoeNeptune

I like the shortcuts in the 2 press format and wouldnt want to waste time scrolling but I wouldnt mind it as a second "menu type" option.
I think the 3200 iso is useful if you are in low light and wont be post processing a raw file on a computer.
Just adding a 1 push, "DP Hotkey", for a chosen feature, option should satisfy most.
More options can be added to the short cut by adding a third press of button.
For example for new feature "x" press DP, UP, UP then its activated.
You would lose DP, UP but you would also gain DP, UP, DN and DP, UP, RT and so on.

Now that I think of it a different button could be used to shift them.
Like DP, Timer button, UP for a second round of button associations.

lars

0xAF
why would you need to change the iso besides the normal way ?

One scenario e.g.: I often shoot manual and I am using fixed time and f-stop (e.g. f 2.8 and t 1/125). Doing so, I am using ISO to regulate the exposure the way I want... Then I really like to have this fine ISO steps with just one push 😉

Okay, I could also do this in Lightroom later on, but I am lazy and I am shooting raw AND jpg and I really like to have my appropriate jpg directly out of the box...

0xAF

lars
One scenario e.g.: I often shoot manual and I am using fixed time and f-stop (e.g. f 2.8 and t 1/125). Doing so, I am using ISO to regulate the exposure the way I want... Then I really like to have this fine ISO steps with just one push 😉

good point. but yet, isn't that possible in 100/200/400/800 steps ?

lars

0xAF
good point. but yet, isn't that possible in 100/200/400/800 steps ?

.. of course it is. But it is still not the same:
* 100/200/400 etc. are full stops (1/1) and I will need to push 3 buttons (ISO, arrow down [wb] and set)
* 200/250/320 are 1/3 stops and I will need to push only 1 button [DP] 😀

I did this e.g. here: http://www.botz.net/pixelpost/index.php?showimage=55
Please click on the little | i | in the upper right corner of the image for some meta data.
As you can see, I used ISO 640 (less noise) and I did not need to go to ISO 800 (more noise). Aperture was on max (f 4.0) and shutter was also on my limit to have the picture not blurred 😀

Best regards,
Lars

0xAF

lars
.. of course it is. But it is still not the same:
* 100/200/400 etc. are full stops (1/1) and I will need to push 3 buttons (ISO, arrow down [wb] and set)
* 200/250/320 are 1/3 stops and I will need to push only 1 button [DP] 😀

I see the idea, I guess I got confused, because I was thinking that ppl are using this function only between 100-200 ISO values, because I mostly use 100,200 and 400. But you are right, it has a good use when you need ISO between 400-800 or 800-1600
Though I don't think ISO 1600 is usable, neither 3200 because of the noise. Perhaps only in rare cases like JoeNeptune mentioned. Anyways let's leave this off-topic alone.
Thanks for clarification.
(nice photos there, congrats.)

lars

Thank you ...
... and let's get back on topic now 😀

punk.kaos

0xAF

guffster
Software that is flexible, configurable, and extensible is the key answer here. The point is not whether one should shoot ISO 125 over ISO 100 but to have the ability to do so via easy-to-use and understandable software. There is no way each user will want or use every feature the way that another user would, or necessarily the way the developers have chosen to implement it. This is the true challenge for good software developers: to create outstanding useful software that appeals to the majority of its user base.

By making the software hack flexible and extensible (easy to build upon for future enhancements, fixes, etc.) and configurable (able to work one way for one user, and another way for someone else) - then each user will have the opportunity to make it work easily for them.

Those who develop, test, and document this software will have more work cut out for them, but in the end - all will have a more functional and proud-to-own-and-use product.

I for one believe this is the road we are currently headed down based on the forum topics that have recently been discussed here. It is fascinating to watch this software grow into a mature product and give life back to a very capable camera that many people gave up on years ago.

I totally agree. But since I've seen 2 posts asking for getting DP to set iso, I was wondering who actually is using this ?

I had to register just to let you know that I use this a TON. Its SUPER convenient when doing multi light strobe setups to get your light balanced quickly.

sizzlincok

0xAF
why would you need to change the iso besides the normal way ?
normally i shoot in 100, if i need to go up i go for 200 or 800. these are the three isos i ever used...
i still don't get why would one need 125 iso (for example) ... what will be different from the 100 iso ?
even more ... i dont see the point to have the nice DP button assigned to iso changing...

0xAF
I see the idea, I guess I got confused, because I was thinking that ppl are using this function only between 100-200 ISO values, because I mostly use 100,200 and 400. But you are right, it has a good use when you need ISO between 400-800 or 800-1600
Though I don't think ISO 1600 is usable, neither 3200 because of the noise. Perhaps only in rare cases like JoeNeptune mentioned. Anyways let's leave this off-topic alone.
Thanks for clarification.
(nice photos there, congrats.)

I'm an actual photographer who takes portraits and does night club photography as a job, and i personally believe my skill and knowledge is greater than the average photographer.

Why would you need to use any other ISO other than ISO100?
Why not?

It's been said that the ISO's in between the pre available ISO values are 1/3 stop difference.
It's the same as adjusting your shutter speed to allow 1/3 more light in than your current settings (whatever they might be).

Say I want a fast shutter speed of 1/100, I don't want lower. My aperture is maxed out wide open already. The only thing to allow 1/3 or more light in is to increase the ISO by 1/3 or more.
Which is why one would want the ISO values in between.

There is no why someone would want to use ISO 125. They do because the photographer behind the camera chooses to, so they do.

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ISO1600 is noisy?
You need to learn to embrace the noise.
You're more than welcome to take a blurry image due to a slow shutter speed @ ISO1600, while I get a clearer one with ISO3200.
As right now, you're saying your skill is being limited by the noise of the camera.
The more you start shooting and looking at the image instead of the technicals, the more you improve.

I use ISO3200, F/2.8, and 1/4 in the clubs to take an ambient shot. It works so well.
I cannot get the same results with ISO1600.

Here's an example: http://www.myclubcity.com/image/1/tryst/original/167053_Gallery.jpg
Yeah? ISO1600, would require slower shutter speed, which gives allows camera shake to be more visable in the final image.

I'm just saying, there's a time and place for the 1/3 stop ISO's, and noise is nothing but a bunch of coloured dots on the image.
Don't let it get in the way of your creativity.

eduperez

Ok, folks: you have convinced me that there is enough demand for the intermediate ISOs; next release will have an option to use DP either to open the shortcuts menu or to change the ISO, as we had before.

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