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Re: Quick weatherproof camera box.
« Reply #170 on: 06 / January / 2014, 04:50:41 »
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My bad, ahull. I am out of my league when it comes to this stuff. I am trying to figure out how to go from the battery pack to voltage regulator. You know, the sorta cable I would need there.

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Re: Quick weatherproof camera box.
« Reply #171 on: 07 / January / 2014, 16:21:51 »
Could you guys show a little more detail on how the camera is fitted in the box and how the box is fitted on your tripods? I'm thinking of using some steep plates and a quick release mechanism. The challenge is keeping the box watertight while drilling holes through them for the fixture.

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« Reply #172 on: 07 / February / 2014, 11:02:42 »
I would like to revisit the subject of lens coating. I have found out that I really need to handle rain better. Here is a test from last weekend, showing lots of rain on the lens.

Moreover, I found out that a hydrophillic coating would be even better than hydrophobic. A hydrophillic coating would spread any water evenly, which won't show in the shots. While a hydrophobic spray might reject most water from the lens, it won't reject all. The lens which will stay on the lens will show even more clearly as it will be more of a bubble due to the hydrophillic surface.

Any idea on how to get a hydrophillic coating on the filter?

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Re: Quick weatherproof camera box.
« Reply #173 on: 07 / February / 2014, 19:18:09 »
Moreover, I found out that a hydrophillic coating would be even better than hydrophobic. A hydrophillic coating would spread any water evenly, which won't show in the shots. While a hydrophobic spray might reject most water from the lens, it won't reject all. The lens which will stay on the lens will show even more clearly as it will be more of a bubble due to the hydrophillic surface. Any idea on how to get a hydrophillic coating on the filter?
While a hydrophillic coating might sound good in principal,  I think that you will find a couple of issues in practice.    What you are hoping for is something to spread the water into an optically flat surface over your filter.   While that might work if the filter is horizontal,  a vertically mounted filter will tend to smear in a downwards direction as gravity pulls on the water. This gets worse as the amount of water increases.  And regardless of orientation,  any small bit of dust or dirt will tend to create a lens effect much bigger than the size of the dirt, such that small particles that would not be noticable dry become much more visible on a hydrophillic surface.
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Re: Quick weatherproof camera box.
« Reply #174 on: 07 / February / 2014, 19:46:56 »
While I have absolutely no experience with such coatings, it seems that they do exist. See here for example.
As to their cost, or whether you can achieve a similar effect any other way, I have no idea.

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Re: Quick weatherproof camera box.
« Reply #175 on: 07 / February / 2014, 19:51:49 »
Could you guys show a little more detail on how the camera is fitted in the box and how the box is fitted on your tripods? I'm thinking of using some steep plates and a quick release mechanism. The challenge is keeping the box watertight while drilling holes through them for the fixture.

Hot glue and  silicone sealant.. need I say more?  ;) One other tip. for small holes, try melting them carefully with a soldering iron, rather than drilling them, this works particularly  well with brittle plastic, (and strangely also with bamboo, which is also difficult to drill, but that's a story for another day) so long as you don't mind the smell. Do this in a well ventilated area, some plastics will produce cyanide laden fumes... not too pleasant.
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Re: Quick weatherproof camera box.
« Reply #176 on: 08 / February / 2014, 08:19:49 »
Last year, I completed a nine month time-lapse of an apple tree.
The camera box was at ground level, pointing upwards at 45 degrees towards the sky.
I built a 600mm deep open-ended enclosure around and in front of the box.

Despite really bad weather, there was rarely any rain drops on the plain glass filter fitted to the box.


David

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Re: Quick weatherproof camera box.
« Reply #177 on: 08 / February / 2014, 12:14:03 »
While a hydrophillic coating might sound good in principal,  I think that you will find a couple of issues in practice.    What you are hoping for is something to spread the water into an optically flat surface over your filter.   While that might work if the filter is horizontal,  a vertically mounted filter will tend to smear in a downwards direction as gravity pulls on the water. This gets worse as the amount of water increases.  And regardless of orientation,  any small bit of dust or dirt will tend to create a lens effect much bigger than the size of the dirt, such that small particles that would not be noticable dry become much more visible on a hydrophillic surface.

I would probably agree with you until I saw this video from Petapixel.



Wikipedia page about this subject (interesting!)

Hot glue and  silicone sealant.. need I say more?  ;) One other tip. for small holes, try melting them carefully with a soldering iron, rather than drilling them, this works particularly  well with brittle plastic, (and strangely also with bamboo, which is also difficult to drill, but that's a story for another day) so long as you don't mind the smell. Do this in a well ventilated area, some plastics will produce cyanide laden fumes... not too pleasant.
I managed quite nicely. I agree that silicone sealant is great, I used lots of it around the lens filter. But on the connection to the tripod I used steel screws, so I felt like sealant wouldn't work that well there. I ended up using rubber O-rings and some fiber gaskets, works great! I'll make some detailed photos when I get the change.

Perhaps I'll even make a V2 box and take photos of the building process.

Drilling holes is no problem. I've not attempted any cuts with a knife anymore however ;-)

Last year, I completed a nine month time-lapse of an apple tree.
The camera box was at ground level, pointing upwards at 45 degrees towards the sky.
I built a 600mm deep open-ended enclosure around and in front of the box.

Despite really bad weather, there was rarely any rain drops on the plain glass filter fitted to the box.


David
Would you have any photos of the rig? I need the widest angle I can get, so I can't obstruct the lens too much.
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Re: Quick weatherproof camera box.
« Reply #178 on: 08 / February / 2014, 12:38:08 »
I just found something that got me pretty excited! A hydrophobic coated UV filter in exactly the right size (58mm).

It's the only listing on the whole of eBay and it's expensive (supply/demand?) but I ordered it because I want to give it a try.

Re: Quick weatherproof camera box.
« Reply #179 on: 08 / February / 2014, 12:55:47 »
I would probably agree with you until I saw this video from Petapixel.
What I can see on the video is pretty much in line with what I posted.  The water sheets out and runs off but if you study the video, the glass is not exactly completely clean.   

Don't get me wrong,  it seems to be a big improvement but I would not expect it to be "perfect".  And depending on your shot rate and how heavy the rain is, you will still capture drops in the process of sheeting out.


I just found something that got me pretty excited!  It's the only listing on the whole of eBay and it's expensive (supply/demand?) but I ordered it because I want to give it a try.
Good for you!  Nothing like a little field experience to destroy a whole lot of "arm chair" theory.  ;)
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