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Re: proposal - script shooting hooks
« Reply #210 on: 15 / August / 2015, 09:18:34 »
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Interesting script.
Did anyone test with an sx260hs yet?
If not: should I and using what values?

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« Reply #211 on: 15 / August / 2015, 10:59:27 »
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Interesting script.

Well, I worked with a lot of scripts for time-lapse. Wrote my own script, which is not bad but rawopint is absolutely great. Far away from other time-lapse script, which I have used.

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should I and using what values?

Use as much as possible the defaults. Defaults give you already great results.

My suggestions about timelapse against the sun:

ui_exp_over_thresh_frac=1000   1% overexposure
ui_exp_under_thresh_frac=0       underexposure control off

Joerg
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Re: proposal - script shooting hooks
« Reply #212 on: 16 / August / 2015, 04:08:35 »
Thanks for the tip.

I copied rawopint.lua to the SCRIPTS directory on the SD card.
For running it appears that I also need a rawoplib.lua file.

I'll need to try the 1.4.0 CHDK build...
And yes, it runs now.

I got got over 2500 photo's from my NB6L clone battery, many more than  the dpreview said.
I used the info from this blog to make an mp4 out of the photos.
The result is boring as the sky was tightly clouded up high.
But as a test it worked.
I did notice some flickering though.
How can I fix this?

What does it mean when the csv says 'sv 380 != cam 476 / smooth overshoot:-1' ?


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I changed the Target ISO to 100 as the sx260hs doesn't know 80.
Max ISO was changed to 400 as that gives a bit of noise already. (maybe I am paranoid w.r.t. noise and we will not notice this in an mp4)
If I disable Draw Debug will that remove the meter at the top of the photo?
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Re: proposal - script shooting hooks
« Reply #213 on: 16 / August / 2015, 09:16:49 »
Hello,

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I'll need to try the 1.4.0 CHDK build...And yes, it runs now.

Yes, the script is still under developing. You have to use the latest CHDK build...

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I got got over 2500 photo's from my NB6L clone battery, many more than the dpreview said.

The same with my cams. It's amazing who long the cam works. I think zooming and focusing needs a lot of energy…

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I used the info from this blog to make an mp4 out of the photos.
I do it with Virtual Dub…

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I did notice some flickering though. How can I fix this?

Where we are talking about? When this is the same flicker as in my videos it is around 2/96 EV steps. Not much. Using a DLSR or most other scripts give you 1/3 EV steps. Factor 16 higher. I fix it with a deflicker filter in VirtualDub. But I’m sure, reyalp will find a solution to fix it.
It would be probably helpful, when you give us a link to the video und upload the log file.

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What does it mean when the csv says 'sv 380 != cam 476 / smooth overshoot:-1' ?
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I changed the Target ISO to 100 as the sx260hs doesn't know 80.

Yes, when your cam did not support ISO80…

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Max ISO was changed to 400 as that gives a bit of noise already. (maybe I am paranoid w.r.t. noise and we will not notice this in an mp4)

I can’t see any noise on my S110 or G1x on ISO400. But both have a greater sensor. On my SX230 I haven’t checked it…

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If I disable Draw Debug will that remove the meter at the top of the photo?

Yes, the draw might be helpful for the developer to analyze…

This is another run with my S110. I’m not sure if all this uploads useful…

http://youtu.be/SC-L8NFk-RI
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Re: proposal - script shooting hooks
« Reply #214 on: 16 / August / 2015, 09:44:21 »
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I did notice some flickering though. How can I fix this?

Where we are talking about? When this is the same flicker as in my videos it is around 2/96 EV steps.
It is similar to the flickering in this video.
So perhaps not bad but still noticeable.

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« Reply #215 on: 16 / August / 2015, 10:48:59 »
When your flicker is similar, you will see it on the meter96 value in the log file.

This is one of my first videos, which I made with my own script. Go to 1 minute, where the sun goes down. There you will see, who it looks, when you have 1/3 EV steps…

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Here are some test videos with different deflicker filters…
You have to see it in HD.

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Re: proposal - script shooting hooks
« Reply #216 on: 16 / August / 2015, 15:03:07 »
I got got over 2500 photo's from my NB6L clone battery, many more than  the
FWIW, on D10 (also NB6L) I get over 7000 shots sometimes ;)

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The result is boring as the sky was tightly clouded up high.
But as a test it worked.
I did notice some flickering though.
How can I fix this?
Flicker can happen for many reasons. If you upload the log file, I may be able to tell what's happening in your case. Uploading the video may be useful too.

There are some deflicker plugins from virtualdub that can help some.

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What does it mean when the csv says 'sv 380 != cam 476 / smooth overshoot:-1' ?
In the desc column, the / separates different messages, so these are two unrelated things.

The sv message means the script tried to set ISO 80, but when it read back, it was set to 160.

I assume this is from before you changed the target ISO?

The smooth overshoot isn't a problem, it's just information about what the code was doing. The exposure algorithm tries to smooth out exposure changes by averaging the previous exposure change with next calculated exposure. "smooth overshoot" happens when the average would change exposure in the wrong direction for the current meter result. For example, if the last exposure change -3 and meter shows +1 is needed to reach the target exposure, then averaging in the -3 would would result in a -1 change. In this case, no change is made. This message will also be generated every time the exposure change becomes 0.

You should understand that this script was mainly written to test some new features in the CHDK 1.4 code. It works fairly well, but there are some rough edges.

@c_joerg
Thanks for posting your results and logs. I'm trying to focus on stuff for the 1.4 release now, so I may not respond quickly, but it should help improve the script in the future.
Don't forget what the H stands for.

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Re: proposal - script shooting hooks
« Reply #217 on: 16 / August / 2015, 16:14:49 »
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I'm trying to focus on stuff for the 1.4 release now, so I may not respond quickly
No hurry ... basically it works very well ... with the little flicker I can live ...
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Re: proposal - script shooting hooks
« Reply #218 on: 16 / August / 2015, 23:50:00 »
What does it mean when the csv says 'sv 380 != cam 476 / smooth overshoot:-1' ?
In the desc column, the / separates different messages, so these are two unrelated things.

The sv message means the script tried to set ISO 80, but when it read back, it was set to 160.

I assume this is from before you changed the target ISO?

Yes, I changed the 80 into 100 afterwards.

The log is attached.


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Re: proposal - script shooting hooks
« Reply #219 on: 17 / August / 2015, 00:14:31 »
Yes, I changed the 80 into 100 afterwards.
OK, using 100 should fix it. Unfortunately there's no way to make the menu default to the lowest ISO the camera supports.
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The log is attached.
One thing I notice is that exposure is quite short, sometimes less than 0.0005 (1/2000) second. I have found very short exposure to cause some flicker on my cameras, but sx260 allows down to 1/3200 in the factory firmware, so maybe it's OK at this speed.

I can't tell if this is the cause of the flicker in your case. The meter only changes by +/- 2/96th of stop, so it's not very much.  If there is more variation in light, it's easier to tell if this is happening because it smooths out when the shutter is below some value (around 1/1000th on the D10 I usually use)

Unfortunately the script doesn't yet control aperture, or ND filter on cameras that have both iris and ND, so to avoid this you would have to set a smaller aperture or ND before starting the script. You can set a minimum shutter speed (Min Tv sec/100k), but if that limit is hit the scene will be overexposed.

If the ISO had been set to 100, the exposure might have been slightly longer.
Don't forget what the H stands for.

 

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