thank you for the reply. i tried STICK last night. i had to browse to upload a pic instead of drag and drop and then it wouldnt let me go any farther
That is quite unusual - STICK is very reliable and the sx160 is well supported by CHDK. Drag and drop does not work well in Linux PC's and maybe some others. Browse always works.
What exactly happened that "wouldn't let you go any farther" ?
If you want to research other methods of installing CHDK, they are all described here :
Prepare Your SD Card You should be able to just unzip the CHDK install file to the SD card (telling unzip to recreate folders) and run via the "firmware update" method.
after trying again i do not see the CHDK logo on the boot screen, just the small red box
This means you have not installed all of the CHDK files in their respective folders (directories) on the SD card. Again - the instructions linked above will help you do this. And STICK always does this correctly for the different combinations of SD card and camera model/age. I'd strongly recommend trying again to get that working described there.