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Offline Michaeltbf

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SX50 100b and 100c difference
« on: 04 / December / 2014, 15:26:52 »
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I just purchased a second PowerShot SX50 for my wife.  I assumed I could use the SD cards I made for my first SX 50 in my new one (except for badpix) ----  WRONG.  My New camera won't power up with CHDK from my old camera.
When I run a ver.reg with the cameras my OLD camera says it has Firmware Ver GM1.00C (1.0.0.0) .  My NEW camera has Ver 1.00b (1.0.0.0). 
I exchanged multiple emails with Canon about upgrading my new camera to 1.00C.  They told me twice that both cameras have the same firmware (1.0.0.0).  ...............And there wasn't much love in the second email they sent.
OK, does anyone know what I can do to use my 100c CHDK  SD Card in my NEW camera?
Does any one know if Canon is telling me the truth?
Does any one know if I can upgrade my New camera with the new 100c firmware?
Any help is appreciate.
Thanks All
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Re: SX50 100b and 100c difference
« Reply #1 on: 04 / December / 2014, 16:09:05 »
Quote from: Michaeltbf on 04 / December / 2014, 15:26:52
I just purchased a second PowerShot SX50 for my wife.  I assumed I could use the SD cards I made for my first SX 50 in my new one (except for badpix) ----  WRONG.  My New camera won't power up with CHDK from my old camera.
When I run a ver.reg with the cameras my OLD camera says it has Firmware Ver GM1.00C (1.0.0.0) .  My NEW camera has Ver 1.00b (1.0.0.0). 
I exchanged multiple emails with Canon about upgrading my new camera to 1.00C.  They told me twice that both cameras have the same firmware (1.0.0.0).  ...............And there wasn't much love in the second email they sent.
OK, does anyone know what I can do to use my 100c CHDK  SD Card in my NEW camera?
Does any one know if Canon is telling me the truth?
Does any one know if I can upgrade my New camera with the new 100c firmware?
Any help is appreciate.
Thanks All

Unless Canon provide a firmware update you can't upgrade the 1.00b camera to 1.00c. They rarely provide updates to P&S cameras (usually only if there is a major bug).

Since CHDK is specific to the firmware version in the camera you won't be able to share SD cards between them and run CHDK. You will need separate cards for each camera with the correct version of CHDK on each.

Phil.
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Offline Michaeltbf

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Re: SX50 100b and 100c difference
« Reply #2 on: 06 / December / 2014, 15:48:09 »
Thanks much for the info.  I was afraid this was the answer. 
My old camera is the 100c version. 
What do you think is the likelihood that I will get another "100c camera" if I buy a new one off the shelf?
This most recent one I purchased was a Canon Refurb - which may explain why it had the older 100b version.
Thx again.
Michael
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Re: SX50 100b and 100c difference
« Reply #3 on: 06 / December / 2014, 15:52:57 »
Quote from: Michaeltbf on 06 / December / 2014, 15:48:09
What do you think is the likelihood that I will get another "100c camera" if I buy a new one off the shelf?
The statistician in me says 50:50.   

But the sx50 has been replaced by the sx60 so one would assume the ones still on the shelf would be from the end of the manufacturing run and thus more likely to be 100c models.

I assume the idea of simply having separate cards for your 100b and 100c models is not attractive to you?
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Re: SX50 100b and 100c difference
« Reply #4 on: 09 / December / 2014, 15:56:19 »
I'm planning for a long trip - 3 weeks  - with minimum luggage.  Currently I don't have a good way of transferring the files from the SD card to another memory device.  The trip is rugged and the PC is also added weight. I used to use an Epson P-5000, but the unit gets filled up so fast with large images.   So I've been keeping images on the SD cards.  The second SX50 camera is a back up.  But if I have no PC I can't reload correct CHDK routines on the SD cards if I have to move to the new SX50.  Could I be overlooking a simple solution?...........
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Re: SX50 100b and 100c difference
« Reply #5 on: 09 / December / 2014, 22:24:11 »
Quote from: Michaeltbf on 09 / December / 2014, 15:56:19
The second SX50 camera is a back up.  But if I have no PC I can't reload correct CHDK routines on the SD cards if I have to move to the new SX50.  Could I be overlooking a simple solution?...........
Some options
1) If one camera is a backup, just accept that you can't use CHDK with the backup. You can unlock the card to disable autoboot so you can still use the cards with the stock firmware.
2) Some device that will let you copy the appropriate diskboot file. Once the cards are prepared, you don't need a full installation to swap, you just need the right DISKBOOT.BIN (and PS.FI2 if you want to be able to load with firm update.) I guess this might be possible with android tablet or phone, perhaps with a USB OTG card reader.
3) Buy enough cards for both.
4) Buy a camera with the same firmware, or exchange one of yours.
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Offline Michaeltbf

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Re: SX50 100b and 100c difference
« Reply #6 on: 09 / December / 2014, 23:43:03 »
Canon has been unwilling to help in any way.  But the Tablet may work.  I'll give it a try. 
I'm not sure what you mean by - " if I want to be able to load with firm update". 
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Re: SX50 100b and 100c difference
« Reply #7 on: 09 / December / 2014, 23:52:25 »
I've gotten my Epson P-5000 to save files and write them back to the SD card.  So I will try to use that for saving (and writing back) the two different DISKBOOT.BIN  files.  But I'm not sure if I need to save and write back the PS.F12 file also?
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Re: SX50 100b and 100c difference
« Reply #8 on: 10 / December / 2014, 00:39:55 »
Quote from: Michaeltbf on 09 / December / 2014, 23:52:25
But I'm not sure if I need to save and write back the PS.F12 file also?
Only if you wish to load CHDK via the "Firmware Update" method.   This is one of two methods that can be used to start CHDK -  see Prepare_your_SD_card for details.
« Last Edit: 10 / December / 2014, 00:42:06 by waterwingz »
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Re: SX50 100b and 100c difference
« Reply #9 on: 10 / December / 2014, 21:51:32 »
Thanks much.  All is clear now. 
I learned I cannot copy the Diskboot.bin or PS.PI2 from the Epson P-5000 back to the root directory of the SD card.  The P-5000 will only copy these files into a sub-directory labeled with the date.    Without a computer you can't get them to the root directory.  So close!!!!  And of course Epson had NO work around.
But all is not grim.
I can do a "SD Backup" to the P-5000 of the images and then "Copy all Backup Files" to an HDD using the "USB Device" menu of the P-5000. (Both have to be running on A/C Power)
If I want to take a risk on reliability of the P-5000 I can go this way without a computer.  Taking just the P-5000 and two HDDs   I "backup" to two different HDDs so I have a copy and a backup. 
If others use this technique keep in mind that ALL files are backed up EVERYtime to the HDD.  So it is important to delete all files on the P-5000 after your back up to both HDDs.
Thanks again
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