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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #20 on: 09 / March / 2018, 16:44:26 »
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Quote from: cdordoni on 06 / March / 2018, 15:29:31
I have 6 of these cameras, with a mix of a and b firmware. I have sync'd all of them from a usb cable and no issues so far.

What do you mean "sync'd them from a usb cable?"  Do you mean that you've loaded firmware onto the camera directly?  I'm just trying to use bootable sd cards.
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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #21 on: 09 / March / 2018, 16:46:13 »
Quote from: waterwingz on 03 / March / 2018, 23:57:53
I won't be able to find it now, but I seem to recall somebody saying that when he left his "bricked" camera overnight with the battery pulled,  it started working the next morning.  I'm assuming some sort of time for internal capacitors to discharge?  Worth a shot.

I pulled the batts for several days and the bricks are still bricks as of now, unfortunately.
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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #22 on: 09 / March / 2018, 16:59:47 »
Quote from: 62ndidiot on 06 / March / 2018, 00:17:56
I'd say two from the same user implies that the user is doing something different from other users.
Not hardware but a bug in chdk ( install process ) or a misunderstanding of something by the user.

Right, I'd like to know where I might have gone wrong then.  This is my first attempt at asking a digital camera to boot anything other than the manufacturers OS and I think I've followed the directions pretty closely.  The only deviation so far is the fact that sticks has a now-acknowledged bug and won't write correctly to SD cards on Ubuntu 16.04, so I ended up using licks.  When I examine the SD card contents, from what I can tell, they do appear to be correct.  Maybe it's just bad luck.  I'm now forced to decide on trying to obtain yet another elph 160, or if I bite the bullet and buy a couple dlsr's.  The bookscanner software maker pi-scan recommends Nikon 1 J5 for the DSLR (as of this writing) interfaced via libgphoto rather than chdk.  Two new Nikon 1 J5's will cost me around $1000, which is a definite ouch.  Currently, I'm out $100 in used cameras.
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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #23 on: 09 / March / 2018, 21:39:27 »
Quote from: Hacki on 06 / March / 2018, 08:57:10
I think i recall cases where i had to remove the RTC clock battery of my other powershots because the canon settings somehow got corrupted and prevented a boot. It's been a while..


Unfortunately you have to take apart the Ixus 160 to do that. But its not too bad, only a couple of screws.

The Battery is soldered in, but if you short out the two contacts briefly it resets everything.


Worth a try. It wont brick the cameras any more than they already are.


(Its possible i'm remembering wrong and this will do nothing)

Thanks for the tip. I gave it a try on one of the cameras and found that it, unfortunately, did not help.  Those screws are tiny!
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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #24 on: 09 / March / 2018, 21:42:56 »
Quote from: rduz on 09 / March / 2018, 16:40:09
Quote from: 62ndidiot on 06 / March / 2018, 16:01:37
Have you actually checked the batteries are charged?
I have batteries as well as AC adapters.  There are three total cameras, two bricked.  As a quick test, I booted the good camera and it came up and showed a full battery.  If I install the known good battery into either of the two bricked cameras and attempt to power them on, nothing happens when pressing either the power or the play button.

I believe that @62ndidiot was asking if the soldered in internal battery (shown in Hacki's post) was still charged.  Not the removable / rechargable main battery.
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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #25 on: 09 / March / 2018, 21:54:44 »
Quote from: rduz on 09 / March / 2018, 16:59:47
Quote from: 62ndidiot on 06 / March / 2018, 00:17:56
I'd say two from the same user implies that the user is doing something different from other users.
Not hardware but a bug in chdk ( install process ) or a misunderstanding of something by the user.
Right, I'd like to know where I might have gone wrong then.  This is my first attempt at asking a digital camera to boot anything other than the manufacturers OS and I think I've followed the directions pretty closely.  The only deviation so far is the fact that sticks has a now-acknowledged bug and won't write correctly to SD cards on Ubuntu 16.04, so I ended up using licks.  When I examine the SD card contents, from what I can tell, they do appear to be correct.  Maybe it's just bad luck.  I'm now forced to decide on trying to obtain yet another elph 160, or if I bite the bullet and buy a couple dlsr's.  The bookscanner software maker pi-scan recommends Nikon 1 J5 for the DSLR (as of this writing) interfaced via libgphoto rather than chdk.  Two new Nikon 1 J5's will cost me around $1000, which is a definite ouch.  Currently, I'm out $100 in used cameras.

Well, with $1000 at stake I have another suggestion.

The ixus160 / elph160 CHDK build includes a ps.fi2 file.  Which means that it supports Firmware Update Method booting. You can simply low level reformat an SD card in your working camera and then use your PC to unzip the CHDK installation zip file (expanding directories) to the root folder on the SD card.  No LICKS or STICK or any other special card formatting required.  Start the camera by pressing the Playback switch (not the On/Off button) and then navigate the left hand tab Canon menu down to the bottom and select the "Firmware Update" option.

I guess it's possible that you will also brick your 3rd camera that way but it seems unlikely.   

With my other option being $1000 in clunky DSLR's,  I'd go for it. YMMV.


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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #26 on: 09 / March / 2018, 21:59:34 »
Sorry @waterwingz but I'm not that smart. My next suggestion however is to gain access to the small battery that powers the clock and maintains other settings. I looked in my Elph 130 and it's not obvious. This battery may be dead or it may be maintaining corrupted settings. 

Oops I see you've already done this.
« Last Edit: 09 / March / 2018, 22:02:03 by 62ndidiot »
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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #27 on: 09 / March / 2018, 22:01:53 »
Quote from: 62ndidiot on 09 / March / 2018, 21:59:34
Sorry @waterwingz but I'm not that smart. My next suggestion however is to gain access to the small battery that powers the clock and maintains other settings. I looked in my Elph 130 and it's not obvious. This battery may be dead or it may be maintaining corrupted settings.
We are saying the same thing.  If the internal battery that Hacki suggested briefly shorting out is actually dead,  the camera may not start at all?  That's the battery that powers the clock and NVRAM.

Meanwhile, I still think booting via the Firmware Update method is worth a shot.
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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #28 on: 09 / March / 2018, 22:10:08 »
But if it doesn't boot without an SD card or even with an unwritelocked non chdk card how will it help to try with the firmware update method?
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Re: 2 Bricked elph 160 cameras
« Reply #29 on: 09 / March / 2018, 22:13:15 »
Quote from: 62ndidiot on 09 / March / 2018, 22:10:08
But if it doesn't boot without an SD card or even with an unwritelocked non chdk card how will it help to try with the firmware update method?

Try to keep up ..  :P

Quote from: rduz on 09 / March / 2018, 16:40:09
There are three total cameras, two bricked.

Looks like he has the option to take one more shot at this.
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