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Samsung TL320 Upgrade Hack Request

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Samsung TL320 Upgrade Hack Request
« on: 11 / August / 2009, 10:06:02 »
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I'm really hoping that one of you gurus know of or can figure out a way to get into a Samsung TL320. It's a relatively new (few months?) 12 megapixel camera with a great wide angle lens, 1280 movies, all kinds of bells and whistles - love it - love it lots - shot 1200 photos in 15 days down in Costa Rica a couple days after it was released in the states.

Here's the problem: only JPEG and the highest quality setting is really bad. I put an 8GB card into the camera and the display suggested I could take over 1,000 pictures (1,200?) on the highest quality setting! Viewing the images in Photoshop at 100% (and getting packed to leave for the trip to CR) my jaw dropped - nasty poor quality images - they look "shaggy" and scruffy in large areas ... REGARDLESS of what all the bloggers and forums are all copy-pasting from marketing materials...

Here's the camera:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0902/09022303samsungtl320hz15.asp

Any suggestions, links, firmware hacks or whatever would be greatly appreciated - would love to crank up the quality!

Thanks!

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Re: Samsung TL320 Upgrade Hack Request
« Reply #1 on: 11 / August / 2009, 14:09:26 »
Here's the problem: only JPEG and the highest quality setting is really bad. I put an 8GB card into the camera and the display suggested I could take over 1,000 pictures (1,200?) on the highest quality setting! Viewing the images in Photoshop at 100% (and getting packed to leave for the trip to CR) my jaw dropped - nasty poor quality images - they look "shaggy" and scruffy in large areas

That's because a 8 GB card is large. A totally uncompressed 8-bit RAW image at 4000x3000 only requires 12 MB (11.4 MiB) and you could fit 682 of those on that card. Judging from this comparison, I'd say your camera's finest JPEG quality compresses very lightly and there is likely no room for improvement there.

Your JPEGs have 12 million RGB pixels (when decompressed there is 24 bits per pixel, 8 for each color), but the source RAW image doesn't. It only has 12 million single color pixels (most Canon compacts use 10 bit RAW data from the sensor, ditching two bits in developing the photo to a JPEG). Your camera decides the three color components for each pixel from surrounding pixels sensitive to each color (see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_filter).

In other words, your camera does not have 12 million red pixels, and it's sensor resolution is not that high either. It probably has 4 million red, 4 million blue and 8 million green pixels. That's how digital cameras are built, until someone invents something superior. So, when you look at a typical 1:1 scale image from a digital camera, it will not look sharp even if it was never subjected to lossy compression. If you want a sharp image, you will need to scale down. Your camera can do that for you on the fly, but many prefer to do it on a PC for the greatest achievable quality.

On top of that, 12 million pixels is a huge amount for such a small sensor. There will be lots and lots of noise unless you have lots and lots of light. 12 Mpixel is possibly near the theoretical capabilities of the lens too (let alone practical since it's of course an inexpensive one), meaning that the lens may not be able to project light to the sensor accurately enough. I believe that especially with narrowest apertures you will surely exceed physical limits of resolution.

Nothing a firmware hack to fix there.

Re: Samsung TL320 Upgrade Hack Request
« Reply #2 on: 11 / August / 2009, 15:27:42 »
Thank you fudgey.

I've been a Canon camera user for many years now and I'm still perplexed by the quality of the TL320. As you suggest about the number of images capable of being stored on the 8GB card being not that far off from saving RAW - thereby suggesting that the compression isn't that "strong" doesn't explain the image quality.

Do you think there might be some pre-processing going on before JPEG? Flipping through the RGB channels, I see what I call a "shagginess" in larger flat areas. Honestly, my iPhone takes a better photo!

I'll upload an example later today.

Your input is greatly appreciated.




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Re: Samsung TL320 Upgrade Hack Request
« Reply #3 on: 11 / August / 2009, 15:58:10 »
Do you think there might be some pre-processing going on before JPEG? Flipping through the RGB channels, I see what I call a "shagginess" in larger flat areas. Honestly, my iPhone takes a better photo!

Definitely. The development process from RAW to JPEG is not a simple task, and Canon is often said to be pretty good at it even in their most inexpensive products. The camera obviously has to fine tune exposure and decide white balance and colors in general, but it will also apply sharpening and noise reduction in varying degrees depending on shooting conditions.

It's possible that the Samsung camera isn't up to your standards in that department, and maybe you would be able to do a better job developing from RAW yourself. But you shouldn't call it quits before you tweak every parameter you can find and shoot in varying conditions. For example overexposure is something that will ruin a digital image for good, and it may not be trivial to notice if your camera e.g. regularly overexposes only the blue channel.

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Re: Samsung TL320 Upgrade Hack Request
« Reply #4 on: 12 / August / 2009, 02:19:07 »
Most of the cameras do that (except for Sigma and some camcorders).
The problem is that now the camera makers just try to put more and more MPs on a small sensor, so the image quality is going to suck. There is not much you can do about it, except for getting a DSLR or a camera with a big sensor and fewer MPs. That's why, for my P&S camera, I use the Canon a570 IS. The newer P&S from Canon have way too many MPs.

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Re: Samsung TL320 Upgrade Hack Request
« Reply #5 on: 12 / August / 2009, 05:35:17 »
I agree with RaduP. This is why I still use an A610 as my P&S!

 

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