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Offline thepanoguy

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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #10 on: 07 / July / 2010, 07:31:55 »
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My two cents worth.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it."

As it has been stated many times, people have to earn a living, CHDK is a hobby. I am finding from many posts on various forums on the net that people expect too much from programmers and technical people. There are too many people who expect programmers and technical people to jump when they snap their fingers. All that will happen is that those guys disappear.

I own a Canon S3IS. I mainly use the remote function and RAW. Most of the CHDK functions I do not use mainly because I do use my camera as much as I would like.

Frankly; I think the biggest asset that CHDK possesses is that it is a powerful learning tool especially if the upgrade path is to a DSLR. I found that the CHDK features made me search the net and learn about photographic functions which I would probably not thought off.

Too those guys who are complaining. There are plenty of sites with technical information on the ARM processor. Learn to code and maybe assist the developers.

   
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Offline colinbm

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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #11 on: 07 / July / 2010, 09:42:56 »
I didn't know anything about this ARM Processor ???
So I did a Google !
ARM Powered Nokia and LEGO Rubik's Cube Solver
Totally mind blowing %$^&)_OP+_)(*$R
Cheers
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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #12 on: 09 / July / 2010, 05:52:34 »
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Games and even the file reader are already a compile time options already. You can use whims excellent gui to build your own CHDK without them, without having any coding knowledge at all. http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Chdkshell
Thanks for the tip, I used CHDKshell to build 911 for my G9-100d, with all available options stripped out. I love it, but I do also want FI2 for manual booting, so I am seeking strings for fi2.inc?
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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #13 on: 10 / July / 2010, 05:36:00 »
Quote from: hwntw on 09 / July / 2010, 05:52:34
so I am seeking strings for fi2.inc?
You can get the keys from a fw dump, like described here: http://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php/topic,2995.msg28114.html#msg28114
There's also ewavr's fi2 encoder app to encode the binaries: http://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php/topic,2995.msg28164.html#msg28164
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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #14 on: 13 / July / 2010, 09:10:49 »
Thanks, I used ewavr's encoder- an excellent tool. I don't follow this dump business and I did not know what I was supposed to be looking for.
Are the strings copyrighted or otherwise protected?
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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #15 on: 14 / July / 2010, 01:23:14 »
Quote from: hwntw on 13 / July / 2010, 09:10:49
Are the strings copyrighted or otherwise protected?
These "strings" are Canon's encryption keys for the firmware...

Quote from: PhyrePhoX on 21 / January / 2009, 04:19:22
...in order to avoid canon problems, we *could* set up a system so that the keys are NOT in svn but for example on the autobuild server only - or MAYBE extracted from the bins EACH time compilation is started (this means the keys are NOT permanently stored somewhere, only in RAM).
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Offline jackpipe

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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #16 on: 10 / September / 2010, 22:02:36 »
Hi,
I'm new on here, and didn't know anything about CHDK until I stumbled across it in a dpreview forum.  It looks like a fantastic effort, so even though I haven't used it yet, I'd like to say thanks to people who've worked on it; fixing manufacturers (sometimes deliberate) omissions like this to make things better is just great to see.
Also, I think it's safe to say CHDK isn't a mass-market threat to canon's attempts to segregate the market by feature, and for those willing to put in the effort, it's actually a major selling point for canon cameras.

Anyway, I'm also interested in the process by which new cameras get CHDK support, I'm looking to buy an A495 and an S95 sometime soon but neither have CHDK support.  I would go for the A480 instead of the newer A495, except I can't find one anywhere.  Do camear dealers generally work on a sale-or-return basis, even the most cob-webbed outlets are now stocking the latest models and don't have any of the older ones.

My question therefore (finally!) is, is there any way to determine fairly quickly whether a given camera will get CHDK support or not?  I suppose one clue is if there is a firmware dump on the wiki page, but is there any indication that someone is working on a port, or do we only learn about that once an alpha or beta is released.

I'm totally new to ARM, etc (I have some unix dev experience), but I'm going to download the code and have a play around for A495, but how do I know if someone else is already working on it?  What things would give an early indication that the port is even feasible?
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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #17 on: 10 / September / 2010, 22:26:43 »
If you want an A480 there seem to be plenty available on eBay (including some new units). When I was considering getting a D10 for use with CHDK I first picked up an old A470 on eBay for a song so I could play with CHDK. Turned out a very fruitful exercise.

Problem is, even now that I've got a CHDK'ed D10 (and a CHDK'ed SX200 for my wife), the little A470 is still hanging around so far. :) It's a much nicer camera with CHDK than it would be without it! I suppose I should sell it off again on eBay before its value drops even further, but it was so cheap that it'll probably just hang around in my "parts bin" for testing/backup...

Quote from: jackpipe on 10 / September / 2010, 22:02:36
My question therefore (finally!) is, is there any way to determine fairly quickly whether a given camera will get CHDK support or not?  I suppose one clue is if there is a firmware dump on the wiki page, but is there any indication that someone is working on a port, or do we only learn about that once an alpha or beta is released.
Given that these are all volunteer efforts and there's no guarantee of success, I guess some people working on it will keep fairly quiet until they have something to show. Discussions in the appropriate per-model thread in the development discussion forums are probably your only indication that something may be happening for a given model.
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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #18 on: 10 / September / 2010, 22:42:44 »
Quote from: jackpipe on 10 / September / 2010, 22:02:36
Anyway, I'm also interested in the process by which new cameras get CHDK support, I'm looking to buy an A495 and an S95 sometime soon but neither have CHDK support.
This FAQ entry should cover it http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ#Q._My_camera_isn.27t_ported_yet._Is_a_port_planned.C2.A0.3F_When_will_it_be_ready.C2.A0.3F_How_can_I_help.C2.A0.3F

Bottom line, it requires a developer who has the interest and time, and there is no way to predict this.
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My question therefore (finally!) is, is there any way to determine fairly quickly whether a given camera will get CHDK support or not?
No.
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I suppose one clue is if there is a firmware dump on the wiki page, but is there any indication that someone is working on a
port, or do we only learn about that once an alpha or beta is released.
A dump existing just tells you that a port is likely to be possible, it doesn't say anything about schedule.

Generally, when someone starts work on a camera, they will start a development thread in one of the development forums, or post in a thread already dedicated to that camera. Usually the wiki page for the camera has a link to the development thread if there is any work going on.

The existence of a development thread also doesn't tell you much about schedule... Some people have a working port in days while others take months and others lose interest or run out of free time.
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Offline jackpipe

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Re: future of chdk
« Reply #19 on: 11 / September / 2010, 00:13:21 »
OK thanks reyalp, I understand about schedule, but if there's some indication that a port might at least be possible, that's the first step, and very encouraging when it comes to considering a camera, even if a bit of a gamble.  It's also an encouragement to have a play around myself, even if the odds of a clueless newbie doing anything useful might still be low.

As for A480's on ebay, unfortunately that's not an option for me at the moment, I'd love to have an address in the US, the prices for nearly anything, but especially cameras, telescopes, binoculars and so on, are just so much lower than elsewhere.
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