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Offline altwho

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Re: fujifilm finepix s series
« Reply #20 on: 28 / February / 2013, 16:56:42 »
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Yay! I have access to the hidden menu! I found the procedure in a Fujifilm service manual (the manual says it's confidential) http://www.2shared.com/document/F7HOCYRM/fujifilm_s1800_s1880_sm.html Whoops how did that get there?

In any case, the key is to make a directory called HiddenMenu in the SD card root and then do the following procedure:

1. Turn the camera on with the SD card containing the HiddenMenu directory inside
2. Press "BACK/DISP" at the "DATE/TIME NOT SET" screen
3. Press "MENU/OK" button --> "SET-UP" --> Go to the fourth tab from the left --> "RESET"
--> Press LEFT on the d-pad and at the same time (or a fraction of a second later) press the zoom rocker in the TELEPHOTO position (to the right on my S1600)

4. You should now be in the service menu, don't mess around with the calibration. I have not tried all the options and it might be possible to wrongly calibrate your camera. Some of the options require special software that used to be found at https://denhin.fujifilm.co.jp/csg_en/index.htm and http://fujifilm-di.intranets.com, however both of those links are down now. Some of Fujifilm's international subsidiaries still have live websites with presumably the same files, but they require authentication. Maybe someone from a Fujifilm repair center might be able to share those files, given that the cameras in question are mostly discontinued and out of warranty.
« Last Edit: 28 / February / 2013, 16:59:57 by altwho »
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Offline natrmnv

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« Reply #21 on: 10 / April / 2013, 11:05:59 »
Anything (apparently) useful there?

I'm not expecting "enable RAW" and "enable manual focus" checkboxes, just something maybe. =)
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Offline apass

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Re: fujifilm finepix s series
« Reply #22 on: 02 / June / 2013, 14:08:30 »
Quote from: natrmnv on 10 / April / 2013, 11:05:59
Anything (apparently) useful there?

I'm not expecting "enable RAW" and "enable manual focus" checkboxes, just something maybe. =)

Well, yes, you can enable RAW mode as far as I've tested, but only with a quirk. With manual focus - no luck.
Note that step 2 from altwho's post is not required - you can actually enter in the service menu anytime you want once the SD card has the HiddenMenu folder on it by entering the normal setup menu and going to reset option. From the description he gave I had the impression that it was the normal way to start the camera in service mode, but apparently he had the batteries removed from the camera for a long time so date and time settings were lost.
Now, for the RAW mode, start the camera with the hidden menu and go to the "DEBUG" menu (there is also a debugmode - this is not OK). In the debug menu you have the option to turn on SAVEfullYRGB. Default value is off. If you enable the option, the camera will save the raw image (if you have also SAVEfullJPEG on, the camera will save both raw and jpg format). But once you turn off the camera, the camera defaults to normal jpg saving - so that's the quirk. Each time you want to save in RAW mode you have to enter into the debug menu.
Also, the saving time for the raw file is much longer than for the jpg file (in fact, the file is 10 to 20 times larger than the jpg file so also the writing time goes up). With my card, which is just and old SD card (like speed class 1), the saving of the raw image took about 20 seconds. I should try it with higher speed class card when I'll get one in my hands.

For manual focus - there is an option in the DEBUGMODE menu, but I could not figure if it's doing something. In time - I'll experiment with some other options in the service menu.

Later edit - now... there is the problem of opening Fuji RAW formats... as far as I've seen, the Fuji RAW (RAF) world is quite small and closed - so getting from a camera a format that it was not supposed to be supported only begs for further sleepless nights....
« Last Edit: 03 / June / 2013, 13:13:11 by apass »
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Offline jamakawa

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« Reply #23 on: 07 / June / 2013, 14:24:39 »
 :) I hope soon we will be able to create a firmware for the
S4400 with the functions and RAW and timelapse :lol
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Offline jamakawa

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Re: fujifilm finepix s series
« Reply #24 on: 13 / June / 2013, 07:05:23 »
Quote from: apass on 02 / June / 2013, 14:08:30
Quote from: natrmnv on 10 / April / 2013, 11:05:59
Anything (apparently) useful there?

I'm not expecting "enable RAW" and "enable manual focus" checkboxes, just something maybe. =)

Well, yes, you can enable RAW mode as far as I've tested, but only with a quirk. With manual focus - no luck.
Note that step 2 from altwho's post is not required - you can actually enter in the service menu anytime you want once the SD card has the HiddenMenu folder on it by entering the normal setup menu and going to reset option. From the description he gave I had the impression that it was the normal way to start the camera in service mode, but apparently he had the batteries removed from the camera for a long time so date and time settings were lost.
Now, for the RAW mode, start the camera with the hidden menu and go to the "DEBUG" menu (there is also a debugmode - this is not OK). In the debug menu you have the option to turn on SAVEfullYRGB. Default value is off. If you enable the option, the camera will save the raw image (if you have also SAVEfullJPEG on, the camera will save both raw and jpg format). But once you turn off the camera, the camera defaults to normal jpg saving - so that's the quirk. Each time you want to save in RAW mode you have to enter into the debug menu.
Also, the saving time for the raw file is much longer than for the jpg file (in fact, the file is 10 to 20 times larger than the jpg file so also the writing time goes up). With my card, which is just and old SD card (like speed class 1), the saving of the raw image took about 20 seconds. I should try it with higher speed class card when I'll get one in my hands.

For manual focus - there is an option in the DEBUGMODE menu, but I could not figure if it's doing something. In time - I'll experiment with some other options in the service menu.

Later edit - now... there is the problem of opening Fuji RAW formats... as far as I've seen, the Fuji RAW (RAF) world is quite small and closed - so getting from a camera a format that it was not supposed to be supported only begs for further sleepless nights....


 :'( you can attach a folder with all the files? Thanks
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Offline jamakawa

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Re: fujifilm finepix s series
« Reply #25 on: 13 / June / 2013, 07:11:52 »
 :'( :'(
« Last Edit: 13 / June / 2013, 07:13:29 by jamakawa »
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Offline apass

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« Reply #26 on: 23 / June / 2013, 02:39:04 »
I've read forward on the net and noticed that Kodak has basically the same options / menu (maybe they are using the same controller?). Furthermore, I found a converter from some of the Kodak files to bmp (Kodac C-633 and C-330) here http://alexpolter.narod.ru/yrgb2bmp.html.
Google translate worked for me.... A good think there is that it has also the source code available - so maybe it's possible to use it as a reference for reverse engineering.
The bad thing, however, I think the raw files from Fuji are using some kind of compression - this is judging by the file size and by the compression factor achieved while making zip files from them.
Anyway, it seems there are several RAW formats coming from the camera - activated by the options - SaveCFAonTake, SaveCFAonIRP and SaveFullYRGB which are producing DSCOxxxx.raw, CFAIxxxx.raw and YRGBxxxx.raw with the YRGB file having the least compression factor (compressed 50% by zip compared with 25% for the other formats).
As for attaching them - every individual file has a size larger than the attachment limit for the forum, even zipped, so only if you have some other mean of sharing them....
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Offline jamakawa

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Re: fujifilm finepix s series
« Reply #27 on: 26 / June / 2013, 07:06:18 »
 :'(
I sincerely hope
somebody to attach a folder with all files
which will improve the Fujifilm S4400 series
I think it is useful for all this time not exactly rosy
to buy a new digital camera
improving what you have
so far by adding the batch folder was not able to unlock the hidden submenus that let you enable RAW files
trying again and again without ever having success
I look forward to future developments :)
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Offline DragonLord

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Re: fujifilm finepix s series
« Reply #28 on: 11 / July / 2013, 01:57:01 »
This is my first post here, and I've got a lot to say after reading this thread and experimenting with my camera.  (Note that I have a MinGW development environment on my Windows 7 machine.)


I have a Fujifilm FinePix S1800 to fiddle with, and I have gained access to the hidden menu using the procedure mentioned in the thread.  The YRGB file really isn't raw output, but is simply an uncompressed copy of the JPEG output.  The converter located at http://alexpolter.narod.ru/yrgb2bmp.html (mentioned by apass earlier) requires some source code modification to work with the S1800's output.  The changes required are in the following unified diff:

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@@ -24,11 +24,15 @@
 } FilePropertyT;
 
 FilePropertyT fileTypes[] = {
-{C633, 2848, 2132, 9107904l},
-{C633, 2848, 1896, 8099712l},
-{C633, 2304, 1728, 5971968l},
-{C633, 1600, 1200, 2880000l},
-{C633, 1024,  768, 1179648l},
+{C633, 4000, 3000, 18000000},
+{C633, 4000, 2664, 15984000},
+{C633, 4000, 2248, 13488000},
+{C633, 2816, 2112, 8921088},
+{C633, 2816, 1864, 7873536},
+{C633, 2816, 1584, 6690816},
+{C633, 2048, 1536, 4718592},
+{C633, 2048, 1360, 4177920},
+{C633, 1920, 1080, 3110400},
 {C330, 2304, 1728, 8239104l, 2384*2}, /*{C330, 2304, 1728, 8239104l},*/
 {0}
 };
@@ -117,9 +121,7 @@
 "Kodak C633/C330 YRGBxxxx.RAW conversion utility. V1.1 (C) SwD 2007\n"
 "Usage: utility [-i] YRGBsrc.RAW output.BMP\n"
 "-i interpolate colors\n"
-"Supported modes (recognised by file size):\n"
-"C633: 2848x2132, 2848x1896, 2304x1728, 1600x1200, 1024x768\n"
-"C330: 2304x1728\n"
+"Modified for the Fujifilm FinePix S1800\n"
 );
 }


Apply the diff to the yrgb2bmp.c file. The modified code builds under MinGW GCC 4.7.2.  The bitmap files resulting from conversion are identical at the pixel level to the JPEG output of the camera. (see reply #35)

As it turns out, the file size of the YRGB output is (image_width * image_height * 1.5).  The lines in the above diff reflect that, implementing all of the S1800's output sizes.


The output from the Take12BitCCDRawImage mode (under Debug in the Hidden Menu), however, is more likely to be real raw data.  The file format seems to be a very simple data dump of each pixel, with no compression or other processing.  Here are some points to note:
  • In a hex editor, each pixel is stored as two bytes in little-endian format, since the data looks like "70 00 85 00 32 00 ...".  This is surprising because the raw data is supposed to be 12 bits per pixel.  However, this characteristic makes decoding the data that much easier because the pattern is readily discernable.
  • The size of each raw file is exactly 24,482,400 bytes.  Given that each pixel is represented by two bytes, there is a total of 12,241,200 pixels.  This is not 4000x3000, but 4040x3030.  It is normal for raw image data to represent more pixels than JPEG files, since some of the pixels in the extreme edges of the sensor are cropped out for demosaicing and other processing.
  • Raw output files begin with the letters DSCO. For exposures two seconds or longer, the dark frame is stored in a file beginning with the letters DSCB, with the four-digit image number corresponding to the DSCO file.

With this information in mind, it looks fairly easy to write a program to convert the raw data to TIFF, DNG, or other common format.  (I mention TIFF because TIFF supports 16 bits per pixel; DNG is probably a bit too complicated to do in a brief project).  Of course, further study of the format is needed to fully understand it.  Sadly, I'm not skilled enough to write a program to do this.  It would be nice to see someone actually write such a program...

--DragonLord
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Re: fujifilm finepix s series
« Reply #29 on: 11 / July / 2013, 03:59:44 »
Further testing shows that the Take12BitCCDRawImage mode will not work unless the DCIM folder on the memory card contains at least one subfolder with a name within the range 100_FUJI to 999_FUJI.  If this requirement is not satisfied, the data will not be written correctly onto the memory card.

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