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Re: CHDK Wikia Index Page ( hot links? )
« Reply #10 on: 09 / March / 2013, 16:26:46 »
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Quote from: srsa_4c on 09 / March / 2013, 16:21:39
Can the wikia page header be changed?

I'm embarrassed to say that I've never noticed those tabs before.   I'll take a look and see what I can find out - somebody must have set that up initially (they are CHDK specific) and a couple of them don't really point anywhere useful.

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Do we have a forum topic about discussing wikia improvements? I don't want to be off-topic with the ideas I may have.
As of yesterday,  I think this is it?
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Re: CHDK Wikia Index Page ( hot links? )
« Reply #11 on: 09 / March / 2013, 16:32:25 »
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Do we have a forum topic about discussing wikia improvements? I don't want to be off-topic with the ideas I may have.
As of yesterday,  I think this is it?
I sort of expected this answer :) Can you change the topic title?
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Re: CHDK Wikia Discussion - what improvements are needed ?
« Reply #12 on: 09 / March / 2013, 17:04:52 »


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Re: CHDK Wikia Discussion - what improvements are needed ?
« Reply #13 on: 09 / March / 2013, 19:53:58 »
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Thanks, much better.

Here's an idea. How about having a "feature matrix" that shows which CHDK features are supported in specific camera models? I created something similar a while ago, but I found it not good enough to make it public. Is there any better way to do this than a big table?
There are other similar attempts, but none of those are complete
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Features
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CameraFeatures

Another one. The "downloads" page seems to be the most visited wikia page. Could we have a section dedicated to ports which are not in autobuild, but have test versions available somewhere? This could be a sub-page, and a link to it could be placed into "What if nothing is available for my camera?" I can do this if it's acceptable.
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Re: CHDK Wikia Discussion - what improvements are needed ?
« Reply #14 on: 09 / March / 2013, 20:10:22 »
Quote from: srsa_4c on 09 / March / 2013, 19:53:58
Here's an idea. How about having a "feature matrix" that shows which CHDK features are supported in specific camera models? I created something similar a while ago, but I found it not good enough to make it public. Is there any better way to do this than a big table?
There are other similar attempts, but none of those are complete
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Features
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CameraFeatures
If you peek at the history,  you'll see I tried to update one of those last year.  Lots of work,  hard to keep current, hard get the right info,  and I finally could not see the value in it once it got completed.  But that's just me.

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Another one. The "downloads" page seems to be the most visited wikia page. Could we have a section dedicated to ports which are not in autobuild, but have test versions available somewhere? This could be a sub-page, and a link to it could be placed into "What if nothing is available for my camera?" I can do this if it's acceptable.
Interesting idea.  i have no objections to adding that but keeping it maintained will again be an effort.

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Re: CHDK Wikia Discussion - what improvements are needed ?
« Reply #15 on: 09 / March / 2013, 20:27:38 »
Quote from: srsa_4c on 09 / March / 2013, 19:53:58
Here's an idea. How about having a "feature matrix" that shows which CHDK features are supported in specific camera models? I created something similar a while ago, but I found it not good enough to make it public. Is there any better way to do this than a big table?
There are other similar attempts, but none of those are complete
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Features
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CameraFeatures
I think this shows the biggest problem with this idea... maintaining it. The CameraFeatures one is particular bad, I suspect much of the override stuff is based on flawed measurement.

One thing I've thought about is extracting feature defines from the platform_camera.h files. This would allow for an automatically updated table of CHDK platform specific features. This doesn't cover camera specifics that aren't defined in the code though.
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Another one. The "downloads" page seems to be the most visited wikia page. Could we have a section dedicated to ports which are not in autobuild, but have test versions available somewhere? This could be a sub-page, and a link to it could be placed into "What if nothing is available for my camera?" I can do this if it's acceptable.
A bit of a maintenance problem too, but it's fine with me if you want to add it. I agree it should be a sub page.
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Re: CHDK Wikia Discussion - what improvements are needed ?
« Reply #16 on: 09 / March / 2013, 20:52:00 »
Quote from: reyalp on 09 / March / 2013, 20:27:38
One thing I've thought about is extracting feature defines from the platform_camera.h files. This would allow for an automatically updated table of CHDK platform specific features. This doesn't cover camera specifics that aren't defined in the code though.
This could be the way to go. But I'm afraid that writing - and maintaining - a "parser" for #defines would also require additional efforts every time there's a change in camera.h #define's.
Too bad, the only thing the average user can do is to try and see, or ask in the forum.
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A bit of a maintenance problem too, but it's fine with me if you want to add it. I agree it should be a sub page.
OK.
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Re: CHDK Wikia Discussion - what improvements are needed ?
« Reply #17 on: 09 / March / 2013, 21:20:26 »
Quote from: srsa_4c on 09 / March / 2013, 20:52:00
This could be the way to go. But I'm afraid that writing - and maintaining - a "parser" for #defines would also require additional efforts every time there's a change in camera.h #define's.
Yes. We already extract stuff from propeset*.h and modemap.h for lua, but these are a lot more regular than camera.h.

An alternate approach to this is to actually use the pre-processor - include camera.h / platform_camera.h and use macros to output the name and value. This could either output directly (possibly tidied up with sed at the end) or result in an exe that can be run to produce the final output.

I have at various times thought about trying to put everything we know about each camera in a database of some kind...
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Re: CHDK Wikia Discussion - what improvements are needed ?
« Reply #18 on: 09 / March / 2013, 22:51:31 »
Is it possible to update wikia pages automatically?  Some kind of  WikiBot user?

Content of http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Supported_Cameras  could be generated from camera_list.csv

The field marked as "Notice" in each camera page, which shows CHDK firmware versions (and status) available for that model can be generated from camera_list.csv too.

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Re: CHDK Wikia Discussion - what improvements are needed ?
« Reply #19 on: 10 / March / 2013, 00:26:08 »
Quote from: nafraf on 09 / March / 2013, 22:51:31
Is it possible to update wikia pages automatically?  Some kind of  WikiBot user?

Content of http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Supported_Cameras  could be generated from camera_list.csv

The field marked as "Notice" in each camera page, which shows CHDK firmware versions (and status) available for that model can be generated from camera_list.csv too.
There is an API: http://api.wikia.com/wiki/Documentation (based on the mediawiki API http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page )

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See also http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Bots

More use of templates: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Template_parameters might also help us.
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